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    George Soros piled up gold

    Gold has been one of the best investment assets since the start of the year increasing by more than 20%.

    Recently, Billionaire investor George Soros cuts US stocks by 37% and buying gold. Soros bought 1.05 million shares in SPDR Gold Trust, which tracks the price of bullion and took a stake in Barrick Gold Corp, which is the world’s biggest producer of gold, amounted to $264 million.

    Why? What exactly is gold and silver? How are the economic conditions going to affect the prices of gold and silver?

    Ultimately, you want to know if you should own some of the precious metals and if you are going to make money when you buy gold / silver for investment reason?

    I shall leave you with diverging views from two experts below.

    Warren Buffett criticism on gold

    Quote 1: “Today the world’s gold stock is about 170,000 metric tons (year 2012). If all of this gold were melded together, its…value would be about $9.6 trillion. Call this cube pile A. Let’s create a pile B costing an equal amount. For that, we could buy all U.S. cropland…plus 16 ExxonMobils…After these purchases, we would have about $1 trillion left over…”

    “A century from now the 400 million acres of farmland will have produced staggering amounts of corn, wheat, cotton, and other crops…ExxonMobil (s) will probably have delivered trillions of dollar in dividends to its owners and will also hold assets worth many more trillions…The 170,000 tons of gold will be unchanged in size and still incapable of producing anything. You can fondle the cube, but it will not respond.”

    Quote 2: “This type of investment requires an expanding pool of buyers, who, in turn, are enticed because they believe the buying pool will expand still further. Owners are not inspired by what the asset itself can produce — it will remain lifeless forever — but rather by the belief that others will desire it more avidly in the future.”

    — Warren Buffett

    Ray Dalio saying Warren Buffett is making a huge mistake by not owning gold

    Another legendary investor Ray Dalio (one of my favorites) said this about gold, counterintuitive to Warren Buffett’s theory. Dalio advocates investors to have 5% to 10% of their assets in gold. Maybe 5% in gold stocks and 5% in bullion and then rebalance every year. Refer to his interview here.

    ‘If you don’t own gold, you know neither history nor economics’

    “I would say that we are in an environment where it is very important to have a well-diversified portfolio, and that’ll include assets gold. In other words, what could I tell investors, try to achieve balance in various ways. That’s a whole subject about how to do it.

    And also I think that gold at 5 percent of your portfolio, 5 percent or 10 percent of your portfolio, under the circumstances, would be also a prudent thing to do. Prudence is the important thing to do. The reason I’m also referring to that is we have a situation where a debt is money. In other words, we have a fiat monetary system, too. And so we are having problems as these central banks operate. And so think of it as another form of cash and when cash now has zero or 0 percent interest rates or less, think of it as one of those possibilities in terms of how do you create diversification

    — Ray Dalio
    Who is correct?

    Anyway, this article will be the first of Gold and Silver series articles.

    In this first article, it will basically be an introduction about things you need to know when investing in physical gold and opening a UOB silver account.

    In the next article (in progress now), I will delve into the history of precious metals and its impact to the global monetary system.

    My own experiences at UOB bank buying physical gold and opening UOB silver account

    By the way, I went to UOB Main Branch at Raffles Place. I assume it is the easiest. Otherwise just call up UOB bank hotline to ask how to buy physical gold and open silver account. Pretty much “idiot proof”.

    For now, I will like to bring you “additional uncommonly known info” you may need to know when you buy physical gold with UOB bank in Singapore and when you opened a UOB Silver account.

    Unit for gold
    First, get the buy and sell UNIT of gold correct. Gold price is calculated in troy ounce and not in ounce.

    1 troy ounce = 31.103 g
    1 ounce = 28.349 g

    So troy ounce is about 10% heavier.

    UOB gold and silver prices
    Visit UOB website here, and then click tab -> Rates and Fees -> check our indicative gold and silver prices! Below is a table showing indicative pricing. You see the prices of different types of gold.

    Loss Spreads
    Always note the buy and sell prices for the loss spread. The smaller the loss spread during buy and sell, the better it is.

    Given on the same time you buy and sell, the spread you LOSE for 1 KG will be as follows using the above indicative pricing:

    1 KG Cast Bar : 54,252 – 53,983
    = Loss S$269.00

    100 GM Argor Cast Bar : 5,474 – 5,396 = S$78.00. To get 1 KG, you multiply by 10 and that will be = Loss S$780.00

    100 GM PAMP Gold Bar : 5,520 – 5,396 = S$124.00. To get 1 KG, you multiply by 10 and that will be = Loss S$1,240.00

    1 OZ Gold Bullion Coin : 1,759 – 1,678 = S$81.00. To get 1 KG, you multiply by 32.1507 from troy ounce, and that will be
    = Loss S$2,604.00

    During my purchase of physical gold, I was advised by the UOB staff that for investment purposes, 1 KG of Cast Bars is the cheapest to trade with UOB as you can also see above. In other words, the loss on spreads is much lower if you happen to buy and sell on the same time! However it costs ~>50KSGD per Kg with little divisibility. Imagine you misplace your 1 KG of gold….woooohoooo heartache!

    Therefore, if you are afraid to misplace it or wanted more divisibility with a reasonable investment amount of >5KSGD and a reasonable loss spread, then 100 GM Argor cast bar is a good choice!

    Further smaller divisibility, then you can buy Bullion coins at 1 OZ each but loss spread is higher.
    However the advantage is that it comes with many different designs suitable for gifts. Likewise, PAMP Gold Bars comes with different designs.

    Do not open the seal
    Below is a typical 100 GM Argor Cast Bar I own. Another thing to note is “DO NOT OPEN THE SEAL!” Once seal is opened, UOB will not buy back the gold at all. There is also a unique code for each gold bar.

    Invoice costs money

    Open UOB Silver account
    Again, it is more or less idiot proof when you are at the Main UOB Branch. Just tell them that you need to open a Silver account and the staff will guide you through.

    One thing to note is the charges of gold or silver account per annum! It is slightly more difficult to comprehend. Imagine that you are owning 200g of Gold and 500 oz of Silver in UOB account, then the charges per annum will be ~S$76 and S$55 respectively.

    Also note that there is a minimum amount or deposits to set up the accounts but it is refundable in cash once you close the account. The deposits cannot be used for trading, and to ensure the account is active, the minimum deposit amount must be there.

    For more info on rates, refer UOB website here.


    Other ways: Gold ETF (SGX) and Silver

    Two other ways to own the precious metals in a more direct manner is to buy Gold ETF on SGX and Ishares Silver Trust on NYSE i.e. GLD US$ (O87: SGX) and ISH Silver (SLV.P : NYS)! Both is traded in US$!

    Alternatively in Singapore, you can also buy and store physical gold or open account with BullionStar. Refer webpage here.

    Of course you can visit gold jewellery shop as well. Read : When is it a Good Time to Buy Gold?

    There are other precious metals ETF or related stocks that you can buy too. I will not elaborate it here though.

    Rolf’s thoughts

    Disclaimer: I own physical gold, UOB silver account and Gold trust.

    In the Singapore finance blogosphere, there are so many analysis on stocks, but not many on gold and silver. Even if there is, there is little explanation on the fundamentals of the precious metals and the role it plays in the history of mankind.

    Instead, there are more articles related to instructions how and where we can buy precious metals in Singapore OR using gold as an hedge against inflation or as insurance OR basically showing the charts of pricings/returns over the year!

    Understand the history of gold will give you a better perception of the future impact it is likely to have in the world monetary system.

    Stay tuned for Part 2.

    Source: http://www.rolfsuey.com/2016/05/gold-and-silver-things-you-need-to-know.html

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